Dai mai pulse – should it be gone after each Dai mai treatment?

[Suzan Jovanovic]

Hello everyone
I have been doing a course of Dai mai treatments on a patient. After the first treatment I checked the pulse and the Dai mai pulse was gone. I have now done 2 more consolidating Dai mai treatments, but the Dai mai pule was still there after treatment. His Dai mai pulse is quite full so on the 4th treatment I did a Draining Dai mai, but the pulse was still there after the treatment.
Should the pulse disappear after each treatment?
What are the possible things I am doing wrong?

[JORDAN LO PICCOLO]

^ I would love an answer to this as I have the exact same question

[Armin]

Hi Suzan,

I have a few questions, rather than a definitive answer:

When you say the pulse was still there after the treatment, do you mean there was no change? Perhaps, there was an improvement but not completely gone which, in this case, might make sense given how full the dai mai pulse is as you are suggesting. So, if some lightening up of it, then it simply might mean more and more treatments.

Were there other pulses present that were perhaps more prominent than the dai mai pulse? If yes, perhaps working with those might yield a better shift.

Lastly, it might just be that the patient is simply not ready to let go of the dai mai baggage regardless of your good intentions for them to do so.

Just some thoughts.

[Mònica Martín]

Hi Suzan,

It is difficult to offer an answer without any details other than a change in the pulse. Maybe the patient needed that one Daimai treatment on that session when the pulse changed, but Daimai might have been no priority for that patient on subsequent treatments and that is why you could not find any change in the pulse. If you could give us a bit of a description of the case or at least the signs and symptoms to justify your treatment choice it might be easier to give a lengthier explanation.

All the best,

Monica

[Suzan Jovanovic]

Thanks for your thoughts everyone.
I have a couple of thoughts..
1.Armin, you mentioned if there was a change in the pulse rather than the Dai Mai pulse being gone altogther. As I am just new to these treatments, I didn’t actually think to give that much attention. But quite possibly the Dai mai pulse may have reduced. I’ll pay closer attention in the future.
And also, I feel like you also have a point that the patient may not have been ready to let go of Dai mai baggage. He is a 48 year old male that has carried quite a lot of weight for most of his life. His attempts to loose weight have not yet been met with success. He is very attached to food and it’s a great comfort to him. He is not open to discussing what lies beneath his comfort eating…in fact he may not know or very well doesn’t want to go there.
This may be part of the picture of why the Dai mai pulse was not shifting.

He is an interesting case. He keeps wanting to come back for treatment, but at the same time says that everything is good and dosesn’t give me much to go on. I often don’t know how to approach his treatments, so this is why I rely on what’s showing in the pulse – clearly a Dai mai pulse.

[Mònica Martín]

Hi everyone,

If he is not open to talk about his food habits you may enquire about the things he finds pleasant in life. Even more so, what he feels is missing in his life; what makes life fulfilling and worth-living for him… Then you might get an overview of what is comfort food compensating for. You might find sometimes that as the person is thinking about what you’re asking, the pulse suddenly changes and the pressure in both guan positions eases! That’s a sign that Daimai treatment may be applicable.

It’s also important to ask yourself what is your intention with the treatment and try to state it clearly in simple terms and let that intention guide your treatment. What is your intention with this patient for treating Daimai?

On the other hand, If Daimai is too full, a Kidney Divergent treatment may help to extend the capacity of latency. You might ask about signs and symptoms that may support this treatment avenue.

Indeed, as you say, in patients that keep coming and say that everything’s good there’s a perfect opportunity to delve deep into pulse-taking.

Regards,

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