Holocaust transferance

[Elizabeth Ross]

Hi Ann/Everyone,

I’m just catching up on what I missed yesterday in the Ann Chat and I got to the example of the patient who believed he’d received the terror of his parents’ experience of the holocaust – I have a similar patient and I’ve been meaning to write it up as a big question for either a chat or on here. I have been workin with her for five years-ish starting with her extreme anxiety and depression which occasionally manifests as an inability to leave her house for multiple weeks/months. These treatments and our deepening understanding/trust has taken us through her admitting that she has been dissociated for much of her life when she feels triggered and that she willfully leaves her body so she doesn’t have to feel and experience, to confronting being kidnapped by her father (who she describes as a narcissist) as a child, to now confronting that she feels that the trauma of her grandparents’ and mother’s experience of the holocaust is the most active trauma. She feels her mother never matured past the age of 7 and that she was a neglected baby (compared to her 3 older sisters) because her father had left the family at the time of her birth.

She describes feeling like a dog who has been beaten and tortured so much that it doesn’t even try to escape its cage when the door is opened. She has admitted to feeling suicidal, but says she will not harm herself. I have not known how to treat this – luos or 8 extras – since there is the inherited nature in this case. I would love to hear people’s thoughts.

The last time I saw her was the first time I tried taking 8 extra pulses and did the treatment suggested by the pulses. I have not seen her since, which is common for her – she often recedes to her house and doesn’t leave for weeks after treatments as this seems to be how she processes. She has close friends which help her process and are basically her therapists; they seem to do well with this relationship with her and she assures me she is getting help and asking for help from these friends and her husband when she needs it.

I guess my question is – should I have told her I needed to see her for 3 months of treatment? Was it wrong of me to let her go without that plan after confronting such a big thing?

Also – regarding judgment vs discernment (loved that part of the chat) and in the interest of putting it all out there since this is a safe space – there is something in me that doesn’t click when she comes in wanting to discuss her holocaust connection. Like there’s a part of me that feels it’s false and I don’t know what to do with that. I’m accustomed to having an easy time connecting to what is bringing her into my office. She does a lot of pre-processing and seems very motivated to move through the healing process, so it really stands out to me that I feel this resistance in myself to this story, especially since I knew this was part of her history before it was the active thing bringing her in. I am unaware of any conflicting beliefs or anything within myself that I could easily point to as the source of the resistance. It feels like my “bullshit detector” is activated and it confuses me. I have tried questioning her in different ways to try and see if I can find some outside source for this feeling – which has worked for me when I have felt this before but I can’t find anything to connect it to. I chose to push those feelings aside and just treat what the pulse showed – which I think was Yin Wei? I’m away from my records so if someone wants to know for sure I’m happy to look it up later.

Thanks for reading and for any insight.

[Cody Dodo]

Hi Elizabeth, Thank you for sharing this case with us.
It looks like there are two parts to this – the patient’s treatment, and your gut feelings.

As for the patient, clearly there was a trauma in the past. The “dry” clinical possibilities in this case can be Chong and Yin Wei. The difference between Chong and Yin Wei is that use of Chong indicate ancestral origin – which will mean – you “believe” her record as the root of PF. Yin Wei would suggest that the trauma happened in this lifetime and has no ancestral origin.
Your choice of treatment is an evidence of your opinion.

Treatments of phobias can also be treated by the Luos through Empty KI Luo. – choosing this treatment would not treat the origin per se, but will treat the symptoms of it – manifestation of phobias.

as a practitioner , if you choose to continue treating her you can choose the 8x vessel that feels right to you, or stir clear of the Yuan level all together, and address the emotional manifestation.

I hope that helped some…

[Lois Nethery]

Hi Elizabeth

Thank you so much for sharing this story and your feelings about it. I’ve only just read it now, and I have a couple of small thoughts to add. The holocaust story is important to her as an origin story, something that resonates through her ancestry, but it is not something she has personally experienced. The disconnected feeling that you are picking up could be the vibration of her dissociation. If it feel uncomfortable and “wrong” to you, perhaps that vibration is there for you to experience as it is. The discomfort, the misfit, the lack of life and meaning and connection. It might be a small taste of what your patient experiences in great quantities, and can allow you to access more compassion (while still remaining in your centre).

With the 8-extras, I’m quite new to these and for the time being I am not asking anyone to commit to a 3-month process. My friend and I were discussing this the other day. I am content to know that once I become more familiar with the spirit of each reservoir, that I will eventually *know* that this person needs a 3-month course. For now, I feel the pulses, and if the 8-extra is clearly asking to be addressed, then I trust that this is being shown to me at the intersection between what the patient needs, and what I am capable of delivering. Sometimes I find that I repeat the same 8-extra channel, sometimes I may do three sessions in a row using three separate 8-extra channels. At this stage I’m not trying to *do* something, rather I’m following the pulses and allowing my patients to teach me. I have confidence that this is not doing them harm.

Best wishes in your continued support of this patient – she is lucky that you are there to help her.

Kind regards
Lois

[Ann Cecil-Sterman]

Elizabeth, thank you for sharing this case with the community. I agree with both Cody and Lois. Remember, the feeling of it not being genuine maybe her feeling. I think that’s part of what Lois is suggesting. The important thing is that if that is what you’re picking up, and that itself is distracting to you, you might consider Yang Wei Mai to break that cycle and help her move onward. The Eight Extras don’t have to be treated over three months. That is the protocol because it takes Jing 90 days according to the classics. But we are in a quickening. Things that took a long time do shift in the clinic years ago are now moving at such a rapid rate. One treatment can resonate deeply enough to create deep and permanent change. I think you might cut yourself some slack about treatment planning, Elizabeth. I don’t think we can ever have a plan because the changes that occur in each treatment can be so surprising. Things can crop up that were not expected (healing crises) and they must be deal with as we go. But coming back to your own triggers and being unable to find them points to your feeling the patient’s own feelings as your own. It’s a blessing in the clinic have that level of connection, but make sure you keep that feeling over there in her body and experience it there while you stay in your seat. I think it you practice that, you’ll find that your empathic abilities will carry you a long way in the clinic. Ann

[Elizabeth Ross]

Thank you, everyone, for your insights. I’ve been processing a lot as a result.

I am also very new to these kind of 8 extra treatments and pulse reading and am trying to let the pulse tell me which vessel to choose, so I know that process has a way to go before I don’t second guess myself at times.

Regarding the 3 month protocol or not – I realized that my concern about this is completely rooted in her emotional instability. I reached out a few times since that Ann Chat and she finally responded so I’m feeling better knowing she’s okay.

Lois – thank you for your perspective on the dissonant feelings, it is very helpful!

The intuition piece of being a practitioner is a huge challenge for me. I understand from multiple sources that I need to commit to meditation of some type so I can start to work with this information better. I’ve only realized I have it in the last couple of years. It’s a relief to have this community, thanks!

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